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Who has the iMac and iBook Install CD?

Who has the iMac and iBook Install CD? For iMac, Mac OS 8.1 or 8.5 is just useful. For iBook, Mac OS 8.6 or 9.0.x is just useful.

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I have the original 233MHz rev.A iMac G3 set of install / retore discs - that is OS 8.1. Not sure just how useful it actually is, I remember OS 8.1 on PPC as awful. It included MDK and Kai's Photo Soap. And Nanosaur.

I've also got the 6 restore cd's for the very first iMac G4's, OS9.0.4 I think. Again, not sure how useful they are.

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Can you upload these disk images to the OSX2000 MobileMe server and the images of the CD scan?

- iMac G3 233MHz Install & Restore CDs
- iMac G3 DV Install & Restore CDs

http://public.me.com/OSX2000

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And who has the install/restore CDs for these iMac G3 models?:

- Bondi Blue Rev. B SSW v8.5 (that is both orange CDs)
- 266MHz and 333MHz SSW v8.5.1 (that is both orange CDs)
- Slot Loading SSW v8.6 (that is both orange CDs)

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i have i mac g3 DV restore CD with mac os 9.0 and mac os 9.2.2 imac install cd, will that do?
If so, it'll take me a while to get up here, because its a cd, and it needs stuffed, and my internet connections not the fastest in the world

ps, does anyone have imac restore cd for the 400mhz indigo imac?

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Sorry, the MobileMe server was painful to use. It may be good on OSX 10.5 and an Intel, but it's dead slow on my MDD.

The iMac rev.A 233MHz Install CD image is here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GV6SH724

The iMac rev.A 233MHz Restore CD image is here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY9Z4HWZ

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Sheepmyshaver123, I have limited bandwidth with the iDisk...200GB per month. Please don't ask people to upload files to it.

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The install CD image returns to:

The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable.

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"The boy has no patience. Hmm. Much anger in him, like his father."

Not sure how long the time delay is between a completed upload (about 11 hours ago) and when it's readily available.

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The download link is working, now I have to download later.

I think your iMac CDs is the British English version. When I need the iMac installation or restore CDs, make sure these CDs is the US or International English version. This also affects for the same, orange iBook installation or restore CD.

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There's not been a "UK English" Mac OS since System 7.1 - when the Trash was still called the Wastebasket. There was a large volume of complaints to Apple when System 7.5 ditched UK English and gave us "International English" - primarily because we all hated the use of "Trash" to describe the Wastebasket.

So my iMac install and restore CDs should be International English.

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Good, but the Restore CD is English-British. Can you show the CD scans of the iMac 233MHz Install and Restore CD in image file?

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They're just the standard orange discs, nothing to say UK or International English, or anything like that.

The Restore CD has part no: B691-2104-A
The Install CD has part no: B691-2105-A

Both recorded in Ireland.

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So both these are English-British versions.

Do you have the other Power Macintosh, Power Mac G3, iMac, and iBook CDs to be listed in part number?

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Sorry of the very long update, but SHiNShU has the iMac G3 install and restore CD SSW v9.0. Can you upload? Please?

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The iMac rev.A 233MHz Install CD image is here: h**p://www.megaupload.com/?d=GV6SH724

The iMac rev.A 233MHz Restore CD image is here: h**p://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY9Z4HWZ

These megaupload links are down. Would greatly appreciate working links when you have the time. Thank you.

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Hopefully one of the 80+ downloaders of the disc images can upload them again. I've now sold my iMac with the discs.

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I have a 9.0 Restore CD and a 9.2 Install CD for iMac. Both are International English.

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Protocol 7, upload it now to megaupload and I will add them to my archive. Isn't the second iMac install CD may be 9.2 or 9.2.1?

And most of the links above that I have downloaded already and stored safely.

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Nope the install CD is definitely 9.2. They are from different iMacs.

I'll post megaupload links here when they're ready. I have slow upload so it'll take some time.

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Ah, it's the Mac OS 9.2 itself. What type or processor of iMac required to install in the both of your iMac CDs?

And Protocol 7, your first Performa CD image (for 5400/6400 British English) has been uploaded earlier in the preterhuman.net KDX server and I've uploaded: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5vgavge9vr1ym

Can you show the CD scan of your Performa CD?

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Both of the iMac discs are for G3s. The restore cd is a 1:1 copy I made from an original disc many years ago so I don't have the part number for it. The 9.2 install is original so I'll include the label text when I post the links.

Unfortunately I don't have a scanner but I could try and take photos instead. There's also a second disc for the Performa. I can't remember what it is just now, maybe demos.

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OK. Can you upload the second disc of Performa Guided Tour CD to megaupload so I wanted to test it? And for iMac, what processor speed is specifically designed to install from your iMac CDs?

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Ah Guided Tour sounds familiar. That must be what the disc is. I'll rip and upload it after I've done with the iMac discs.

The 9.2 disc came with a Summer 2001 G3/500 but I'm not 100% sure if it's the original disc for that particular model (everymac says it came with 9.1 preinstalled). And according to everymac the Summer 2000 G3/350 was the first iMac with 9.0 preinstalled so that could be a match for the Restore CD.

iMac Restore CD is now up:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IG2MFOY7

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I had a look at your Mediafire list and this might be the iMac install cd that I'm uploading now:

iMac Summer 2001 500MHz Software Install CD SSW vZ-9.2 v1.0

My CD is also Z-9.2 v1.0. part number Z691-3176-A

If you already have this I'll cancel the upload and start the Performa one instead.

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Sorry, I don't have this CD, just continue uploading.

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The 9.2 Install CD is up now: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XISKBAB0

Here's the photos I took of it and the Performa CDs (these were tricky because they're so reflective). Hope they'll do.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2860/imac92.jpg
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8250/performasoft.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9412/performaguide.jpg

Guided Tour disc is up now:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7EIU9OPD

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Thanks Protocol 7.

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No problem. Glad to help!

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Bertyboy, I've uploaded the iMac 233MHz install CD here.

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Hi everybody !

Not sure, but I think its my first post here and, shame on me, its a request ...

I'm searching for the iBook install CD too ... but for a dual USB iBook and, be prepared ... in French Tongue

According to this page : http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1835, this iBook needs at least MacOs 9.1 and retail MacOs 9.1 lacks some software thus is unable to boot that particular computer.
Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems there's no universal install CD of 9.2.x, you can just install a 9.1 and update it using Apple's software updates.

Put it all together : originaly bundled MacOs 9.1 system may be the only one that is able to do a clean install Sad !

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A retail Mac OS 9.2.1 disc should be sufficient, it should contain everything your iBook needs. Of course, finding it in French is hard enough.

It will also lack all the included apps you would have got with the original purchase, ie. iTunes, iMovie, etc.

Who's the sleeping baby ?

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The baby 's my daughter Tongue

As for the iBook CD's content, I don't really care about additionnal softwares. I just need to boot that damn computer with something faster that OsX Wink
I thought there was no retail version of OS 9 above 9.1 ... Nowing that there actually exists 9.2.1 is a good news.
I'm still searching for a french version, but hope someone will be able to help me here Laughing out loud
I tried to hack MacOs 9.0 from the anthology by manually adding Apple's upgrades but, as expected, with no success Sad

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Shhh, don't wake the baby.

Look a little and you will find aMac OS 9.2.1 full installer and 9.2.2 update

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mathieudel,

A lot of hair for a small one, much like mine.

Sounds like you're ideally after a French language OS 9.2.1 Install CD, rather than making an incredible effort to get a working French-language OS9.2.1 or OS9.2.2 onto the hard disk allowing you to boot into OS9.

It just so happens I got a strange DVD-R bundled with a QS2002 Mac I purchased second-hand some time ago. With OS9.2.2. It didn't boot the QS2002 - which like the MDD requires a special OS9.2.2 to boot - so I was going to sling it. Once I had the QS2002 up and running, I had a quick look to see what was on the DVD, looked like a set of OS9.2.2 installs for multiple languages. Could be someone's copy of a later Anthology.

I'll dig it out and post back. Can't promise it'll be bootable, but you may be able to install French OS9.2.2 by a simple drag and drop while in OSX - similar to how it is installed on the MDD.

ps. This is my little one.

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bertyboy, that sounds like the grey "Mac OS 9" disc that came with OS X machines. It contained the Classic environment in a number of languages. It's not bootable (as you've discovered) but there's a good chance it'll boot this iBook. Assuming it contains a French version.

Actually, now that I think about it, The "NetBoot for Mac OS 9" image from Apple contains full 9.2.2 systems in English, French, German and Japanese.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243

You need to use Pacifist to extract the HD images. Once you copy the System Folder across, delete the file "Multi-User Prefs" from the Preferences folder to avoid having to log into OS 9 on boot.

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Protocol 7,

Thanks, after searching my CD/DVD archive (it's a LOT of CDs / DVDs) twice I found the disc. Yes it does look like a full Classic Support Installer disc for 18 languages, Like you say, it doesn't boot, but it has Mac OS ROM v10.2.1, so it's good for anything once you've installed it. It looks a lot more than just a Classic Support system, ie. there are 110 Extensions, nearly all of which are unused in Classic. Jeez, just checked my MDD-booting OS9.2.2 System Folder, it also has 110 Extensions !!!

mathieudel,
If you have no luck with the NetBoot9 download, I'll extract the French OS 9.2.2 package and upload it to MegaUpload tomorrow night. You'll have to install it from within OS X.

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Thanks all for your answers !
@MCP : thanks ! Before I donwload, are they french versions of the system as I stated in my request ?

@Protocol7 : I will try this one as soon as I get my hand back on the iBook, this week I hope !

@bertyboy : You're right, a "110 extensions wide" system may be more than just a Classic one. As you stated, if Protocol7's solution doesn't work, I'll get back to you !

You all may be the ones that put an end to my three years long search !!! Even trying to buy a real CD didn't success (given that buying it the price of fresh new OsX one is not acceptable) !

ps: what a lovely one Smile ! Anyone else to use her/his baby as an avatar ?

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The Extensions folder on the Netboot image has 169 items Smile

I mentioned Pacifist because it's the easiest tool for extracting the contents of pkg files, but you can also use the built-in Archive Utility (at least in 10.6) to extract the archive contents. You'll need to edit the sharing/permissions of the extracted folder afterwards to give yourself full access.

When you extract out the contents of the Netboot archive you get two DiskCopy images: Netboot (system) and Applications (empty, but the system one contains the usual applications). So if you have OS X on the iBook it's easy to just mount the netboot image and copy the contents to the hard disk.

If the iBook has no system on it yet, you'll need a second Mac and a firewire cable. Connect both Macs with the firewire cable and start up the iBook while holding down the T key on the keyboard. This boots it into Target Disk Mode and it'll appear on the other Mac as a firewire hard disk, allowing you to drag across the System and Applications folders from the mounted disk image.

Another option would be to boot the iBook with any 9.x or OS X CD and have the netboot image on a usb stick.

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Thanks for the tips.

Anyway, I will first try to use a ... Netboot install Smile. I never tried this before and this may prove interesting. (I once had to use redboot for an nvidia prototype at work, this may be helpful Tongue).
I wonder if its feasable to boot a mac from a Win32 or Linux box...

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I haven't tried it either so let us know how it works out!

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Mmm, checked my MDD OS9 Boot System Folder, 190 Extensions, about 40 of which are additions by apps and utilities I've installed, ie. Toast. I marked all the Extensions with a Blue label when first installed, just so I can easily see if any have been replaced or if they've been added to by app installs (show up with no label).

The 110 Extension System Folder on my G5 (used for Classic only) was meant to be an exact copy of that on my MDD, but now it turns out it's not.
It also looks like there's no video drivers in the OS9 Classic System Folder in French. I've Stuffit v5.5 'd up the french installer and I'll upload to MegaUpload tonight, it's there if you want to keep it for that or any other Mac that can use it.

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Fench OS9.2.2 Classic (System Folder and Applications) is here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0F01ITY7.

If I ever get time I'll try to work out the differences between this and a full booting OS9.2.2.

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@mathieudel: I've just read the thread. In my travels I have been given the French CDs that came with a PB G4. I don't know what version of the OS it is, or if it boots your iBook. There are 4 CDs: PB G4 Restauration de logiciels [F691-2940-A]; PB G4 installation de logiciels [F691-2938-A]; iMovie 2 [F691-2764-B] and Apple Hardware test [F691-2674-A]. If you send me your postal address to: sean...@hotmail.com, I'll put the 4 CDs into a padded envelope for you and post them to you.

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@soudesune: thanks for your offer, but my iBook is a G3 so your CDs won't boot my computer Sad

@Protocol 7: I tried the MacOS 9 system found in the netboot install disc but something strange happens :
- The system folder is properly detected as a bootable folder by the start-up preferences pane, it can also be used as a Classic system under OsX.
- If I choose this system as the boot one and restart the computer, I got the blinkling question mark.
- If I try to press the alt key to let OF find bootable systems, it finds the MacOS 9 folder but choosing it won't boot, displaying the question mark here again.
- Some times, doing this even removes MacOS X from the list of available bootable systems, forcing me to use an install CD to get this working again.

Currently my hard disk as two partitions : the first one is a journalized HFS+ of 100GB and the second one a journalized HFS+ of ~40GB with OS9 support drivers installed.
Just to be sure :
- MacOS 9 can boot a partition that is not the first one
- My only chance to boot is to do it from the second partition
- MacOS 9 does not have to be installed on the same partition as MacOS X
- There is no size limit in partition sizes other than those inherited from the HFS+ file system
Right ? If so, I don't understand what is hapening Sad

As a side note, I tried to boot using NetBoot. It's a pain to install the service on a non MacOS X server platform. This is still not working but I'm making progress. I will detail the solution once I managed to get it working... If you're interested, here are some references :
- https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/powerpc/install-tftp.html
- http://www.macgeekery.com/hacks/hardware/make_any_mac_a_netboot_server
- http://mike.passwall.com/macnc/
- http://www2.tba.t-com.ne.jp/beanz/index_e.html

@bertyboy: I think I will use your install files Laughing out loud

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Hmm I don't think you can boot OS9 if it's 100Gb into the hard disk. Pretty sure it has to be within the first 8GB or so of the disk (or a similar limitation). I booted a G3 iBook with the English Netboot System Folder some time ago, but the disk was a single partition.

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MacOS 9 can boot a partition that is not the first one

Absolutely. I used to keep my old iMac G3 with OS8.6 on the first 4GB partition, OS9.2.2 on the second 4GB partition (all bootable OS's had to be wholly contained in the first 8GB of disk on the iMac 233MHz and iMac 266MHz, I don't think this was the case for your iBook).

MacOS 9 does not have to be installed on the same partition as MacOS X

Absolutley. There's no need to install it on a different partition either. The only limitation I know of relating to the first partition is that this is the only partition available if you boot in FireWire Target Disk Mode.

There is no size limit in partition sizes other than those inherited from the HFS+ file system

Well, OS9 generally doesn't boot on a partition larger than 192GB and some features go a bit funny if there are volumes over 192GB made available under File Sharing.

Looks like it's either not been blessed or there's something fundamental either missing or incorrect in the OS9 System Folder. What is the version number of the Mac OS ROM ?

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Finnaly, thats the end of a 3 years story, my iBook is now booted in french MacOS 9 !!! Thanks all !

The problem was ... I made a BIG mistake Smile : when formatting a disk in MacOS X using the disk util, you are given the choice to install MacOS 9 support or not ... but it's not on a per partition basis, rather on a per disk basis.
When I selected my MacOS 9 partition, I checked the MacOS 9 support, then selected the MacOS X partition and unchecked the MacOS 9 support and Voila! MacOS 9 support broken Laughing out loud

So I had to format my disk again to start it all over (a real pain : I wanted to save my current MacOS X partition for later retrieval ... 10GB over a USB 1.1 port is quite looooong Tongue).

I then used the restore functionnality of disk util using NetBoot's disk image and everything works fine (thanks for the tip of removing the multi-users prefs Tongue).

Anyway, I'm still targetting to succeed at Netbooting from a linux server, and I will study the differences between Netboot's image content and the one kindly provided by BertyBoy.

Ho, last detail : G3 iBooks hardware does not support devices of more than 128GB on their IDE bus (see here : http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/1024.html). So to be safe you have to make at least to partitions :
- One that is 128GB
- Another that takes everything else
Never make a partition span the 128GB limit, or you are facing data loss (a partition that spans the limit can be seen under MacOS 9, but is not fully available
For my needs I made a MacOS 9, a MacOS X and a Linux partitions, the first two being below the 128GB limit, the last one starting at this limit.

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Glad to hear you got it up and running!