Request: Rare Mac OS Betas - Macintosh Garden

2010, September 1 - 6:34pm

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I'd like to keep "Special Requests" reserved for staff. Thank you.

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2010, September 1 - 6:35pm

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Bob Kiwi

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I have an 8.5 beta as well, I'll double check it isn't one your or he has

2010, September 1 - 6:38pm

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Tis why we need private messaging. Or more people need to start using the awesome IRC channel we have set up.

2010, September 1 - 6:40pm

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Balrog

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@Vitoarc:
I'll try to implement a PM system within a week or two. No promises though.

2010, September 1 - 7:49pm

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I'd love to join in the IRC during the workday, but can't really have an IRC client on a machine. There's no easy web-based version anyone could recommend is there?

2010, September 1 - 8:45pm

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http://webchat.freenode.net/

2010, September 2 - 1:57am

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Bob Kiwi, can you upload the 8.5 beta?

2010, September 2 - 10:34am

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sheepmyshaver123

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Please, UFK, do you have these betas from your ATS/ADC Seed CDs and upload it from filedropper as segmented stuffit archive (multipart ZIP archive & iso image file are only for full CD images)?

2010, September 3 - 1:05am

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Seems I was incorrect. I at one time had a Mac OS 8.5 file, was probably the GM release so I tossed it years ago.

Instead, I uploaded the file I remembered and thought was 8.5, Mac OS 8 D11E4. You already have it on your Mediafire, and a quick comparison of folder size of my MacOS8_D11E4_Folder and yours were exactly equal.

Regardless, here's the link to it

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MOSKFXS8

I have some other files in the same place as I found this beta that maybe you don't have. They are:

A/UX System Startup 3.0.1, March 12, 1993
System .imgs, these are from an old site so probably everyone has them:
System .85 has "Macintosh Guided Tour.image"
.1 - can't mount
.3 - can't mount
3.1.1 has "Guided Tour 512ke.image"
3.2 (just a copy of Finder and System)
4.1 - can't mount
5.5 (looks like the Finder, System, some DAs)
Some Rhapsody .imgs - can't mount

I just stuffed the whole folder. Maybe something in there will catch your interest

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O847AAU5

2010, September 3 - 1:14am

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D11E4 was one of the old Copland builds. There's two in general circulation (D11 and D7) and there's a third mentioned on this blog: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=211

Here's a vid of D11E4 booting on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTBJlqPlz2o

2010, September 4 - 11:48am

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You can see Copland D11e4 screenshots in action at Forcedperfect's Betaworld:

http://betaworld.forcedperfect.net/

Through it is not least, he does not have the copies of OS betas, only screenshots are given from some people in a long time ago.

2010, September 6 - 1:14pm

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Does anyone have Mac OS X Developer Preview version 1? (not DP2, DP3 or DP4)

I also do remember that someone had a Mac OS 9.1 beta on OSBA a few years back. Unfortunately, I didn't get it in time to acquire it as the FTP in which it was hosted on went kaputt. So it is out in the wild somewhere but might prove a bit tricky to track down. >_>

2010, September 6 - 8:08pm

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I have and actually just installed it a couple of days ago on a B&W G3 I picked up: http://bit.ly/aTooLv

You can find all 4 on demonoid. Here's Hotfile links I found for DP1: http://bit.ly/9SfYTk

2010, September 19 - 5:25am

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Please anybody, do you have the rare Mac OS betas?

~~Note: The rainbow text is used by text maker: http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/tools/rainbow_text/~~

2010, September 19 - 4:51am

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Please don't use rainbow text. It won't work anymore, anyway.

2010, September 19 - 5:38am

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Hmm, why you disable some simple HTML tags such as <"b">, <"i">, <"strike">, underline, etc.?

2010, September 19 - 6:46am

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Balrog

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Those should work now.

2010, October 4 - 11:09am

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Please?

2010, October 4 - 7:26pm

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Huh?

2010, October 4 - 8:22pm

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would it be ok if i download them and add them to my ftp repository an an alternative download location

2010, December 28 - 12:55am

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Please?

2010, December 28 - 10:05am

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I have a yellow-box (or bluebox?) pre-alpha/beta. I am fairly sure it is the PPC version (same as the x86 version) of pre OS9 (I really need to research my Mac OS releases)

PS. I may be wrong, and it is the pre-alpha for x86
PPS. I cannot guarantee the readability of the CD it is backed up to

2010, December 28 - 1:17pm

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I remember an old Mac magazine article about Mac OS System 7 on an Intel 80386 processor type, but can't find the article again.

2010, December 28 - 1:50pm

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IIGS_User,

Project Star Trek. I read it in MacUser, but there's more than a few detailed descriptions of it, why it was developed, why it got canned, what worked and what didn't.

But I've never come across a copy, a shame. I did find the Finder 7.1 source years ago - many years before the ROM source surfaced, but I didn't download all of it, keep it any of it, from the days of 14.4k modems, when disk space was expensive and before I had burnable optical media.

2010, December 28 - 1:52pm

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@themacmeister: The Yellow and Blue Boxes were part of Rhapsody. After Copland was finally scrapped, Apple merged with NeXT and used Openstep as the basis for their new OS. Rhapsody ran on Macs as well as regular PCs. Then it too got canned as a major Mac OS, but the PPC version was released as Mac OS X Server 1.x. Yellowbox is the development environment and runs on OSXS and Windows. Bluebox was the "classic" mode. It was released seperately for Rhapsody DR1 as it wasn't ready when the OS shipped to developers. DR2 had it built-in.

@IIGS_User: That would be "Star Trek". If you could find that article again it would be an interesting read.

2010, December 28 - 2:53pm

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It has Wikipedia entries, and a few of the longer-established Mac-oriented sites stillhave articles telling you the same story. It could make an interesting bit of research, GIYF. It got some disclosure in Apple Confidential too.

2010, December 28 - 6:22pm

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In later times (now), It must be a preparation for a processor type switch which did not happened at the time. Instead of Intel, Apple switched to PowerPC first.

The article I remember was a small side notice, I could look into the magazine CD-ROMs (the magazine pages itself on CD-ROM) to find it again (maybe).

2010, December 29 - 3:23am

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Thanks Protocol 7, it must have been yellowbox!

Cheers

2011, January 9 - 12:20am

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Please UFK, can you upload the Apple Technology Seed CDs above that includes the rare Mac OS betas?

2011, January 9 - 5:33am

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Star Trek was never released to anyone. It is known that one Apple employee who worked on it (he left, then went back to Apple a few years ago) has a working machine with it. But other than that, it's not around...

2011, January 14 - 5:11pm

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Together with some other guys I'm currently working to get them all online. It will take some time, but I promise to deliver.

2011, January 14 - 6:41pm

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I remember an old Mac magazine article about Mac OS System 7 on an Intel 80386 processor type, but can't find the article again.

I can't find this article again, the only I remember it was a very small side note.

I even can't remember which german Mac magazine reported about (Macwelt and MacUp are the two candiates of this time).

2011, January 14 - 9:07pm

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I'm sure it was MacUser, but it could have been MacWorld /MacFormat. I'll still have the article, but it will be one of the many thousands I have filed away. I favour MacUser because I can remember the typeface of the article and it being in a "News" section. MacWorld and MacFormat were not very good at that.
If anyoe can narrow it down to a magazine and year (and maybe even an edition) I'll dig out the article and scan it.

2011, January 24 - 8:12pm

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Well, finally we can start to go through that list. As per your request, the CDROMs have been imaged with Toast. The image files have been locked before they have been mounted, to prevent modifications by Mac OS X. The .cdr files have been made with Snow Leopard's Disk Utility.

System 7.1 Beta CD:
System 6.2 Japanese Upgrade
System 7.0a11 Japanese
System 7.0a10 Japanese Net Install

January 1996 ATS:
System 7.5 Update 2.0 s9c5
System 7.5.3f2

February 1996 ATS:
System 7.5 Update 2.0 s11
System 7.5.3f6

July 1996 ATS:
System 7.5.4 Update 1.0s1c3 "Son of Buster"

October 1996 ATS:
Mac OS 7.6a3c4
System 7.5.3 Japanese for Nevada MP GMC Part 1.2 Part 2.2
System 7.5.3 Japanese for PB 1400 GMC Part 1.2 Part 2.2

December 1996 ATS:
Mac OS 7.6b5
Mac OS J-7.6a4c2 Part 1.2 Part 2.2
System 7.5.3 Japanese for PowerMac 6400 GM

January 1997 ATS:
Mac OS J-7.6b2

March 1997 ATS:
Mac OS TC-7.6b2c2
Mac OS 8.0a2c5

June 1997 ATS (1st CD):
Mac OS 8f4c1.img

June 1997 ATS (2nd CD):
KH Tempo b1.img (Mac OS 8.0b1)
Tempo SC b1.img (Mac OS 8.0b1)
Mac OS 8.0 TA b1.img

August-September 1997 ATS:
Mac OS 8.1 Reference .img (Mac OS 8.1a4)
Mac OS 8.1 Update.img (Mac OS 8.1a4)

October 1997 ATS:
Mac OS 8.1b2c2 Update.img

November 1997 ATS:
MacOS 8.1b4 Full Install.img
MacOS 8.1b4 Updater.img

December 1997 ATS:

Mac OS 8.1J-1.0b4 Updater.sit

April-May 1998 ATS:
Mac OS 8.2.img (Mac OS 8.2a4c2)

June 1998 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.5a7-J.img
Mac OS 8.5a8 Install.img

August 1998 ADC Seed:
693-1853.img (Mac OS 8.5b2)

September 1998 ADC Seed:
Allegro J-1.0b5.img (Mac OS 8.5b5)
Mac OS 8.5b6 Install.img

January 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.5.2d5c3 Update.img

April 1999 ADC Seed:
Veronica_b3_Full_Install.sea (Mac OS 8.6b3)
Veronica J-b2 Full Install.img (Mac OS 8.6b2)

July 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.7a6c3.img

August 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.7b3c3.img
Mac OS 8.7J-b2.img

September 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 9.0 J-b5.img
Mac OS 9.0b7c4.img
Mac_OS_9.0b7c4_Extras.img

May 2000 ADC Seed:
Minuet J-9.0.4f3.img (Mac OS 9.0.4f3)

2011, January 22 - 11:48pm

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Thanks UFK, downloading now.

2011, January 23 - 8:26pm

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I'm really psyched to finally have a build of Tempo. Thanks ufk!!

It seems all these cdr files are corrupt. A number of the software installers in 8.0a2c5 ask for the source disk (even though the files are there). 7.6a3c4 and 7.6b5 can't install the base OS for the same reason ("please insert the disk"). System 7.5.4 Update 1.0s1c3 "Son of Buster" too.

I think Snow Leopard is somehow corrupting the files. It would be better if you could use stuffit on these in a non-OS X system. The .img files should be OK as their filesystem isn't being exposed (which is good as it seems all of your remaining uploads are .img), but it seems any .cdr files made with DU in SL can't be trusted.

2011, January 24 - 8:44am

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This because of bad creation dates, weird, inside the UFK's catalog has the original creation dates listed for example leaping one hour later (inside the UFK's catalog: 11:00 PM, inside the currect .cdr file: 12.00 AM). To avoid, use ResEdit, open the installer script, check the infs resource, check any/most ID, and in the Creation Date, type 0. Save it.

And one weird thing is the .cdr files uses HFS+ filesystem. This means to change the creation date to the another one, making the installation unsuccessful. You should to create them with Toast instead, and please, if you uploading the .img files, make sure it MUST include the resource fork because most .img files listed here are compressed or not.

For 7.6a3 (I've fixed the installer file to force any creation date), I cannot boot them in Sheepshaver, it shows illegal instruction, now what?

2011, January 24 - 5:35pm

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@Protocol 7: OK, let's consider all .cdr files as not trustworthy. As I said above, they have been made with DU in SL and thus they got the HFS+ file system, I guess.

@sheepmyshaver123: Following your suggestion, here is 7.6a3 again. This time, the image file has been made with Toast8 in SL, enforcing HFS instead of HFS+. Does it work better this time?
And yes, all compressions have been made using the SL standard compression tool. It does preserve the resource fork, as far as I know. Correct?

2011, January 24 - 5:56pm

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Thanks UFK. The toast image of 7.6a3 works perfectly. Looks like that approach will work fine

2011, January 24 - 6:06pm

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Here's another test: Tempo a2c5

Does it work as well?

2011, January 24 - 7:24pm

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Tempo installs just fine. ~~but the install icons are generic. I've tried rebuilding the desktop database and running Diskwarrior on the volume but the correct icons don't show.~~ (I checked on another machine and the icons are fine. It's an issue at this end. I guess something had to give with installing all these beta releases.)

BTW, while the zipped .img file for Mac OS 8f4c1 works fine here, it has to be unzipped in OS X to retain the resource fork. It might be a good idea to use the toast approach for those too (either add the .img file or the folder containing it) to facilitate those who don't have OS X.

2011, January 25 - 5:44pm

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Updated: I guess we have found a way to proceed. I will include the links as soon as the new image files have been uploaded.

Well, finally we can start to go through that list. As per your request, the CDROMs have been imaged with Toast. The image files have been locked before they have been mounted, to prevent modifications by Mac OS X. All subsets have been crated with Toast as well, explicitly enforcing HFS within the disk image file.

System 7.1 Beta CD:
System 6.2 Japanese TT Upgrade
System 7.0a10 Japanese
System 7.0a11 Japanese

January 1996 ATS:
System 7.5 Update 2.0 s9c5
System 7.5.3f2

February 1996 ATS:
System 7.5 Update 2.0 s11
System 7.5.3f6

July 1996 ATS:
System 7.5.4 Update 1.0s1c3 "Son of Buster"

October 1996 ATS:
Mac OS 7.6a3c4
System 7.5.3 Japanese for Nevada MP GMC Part 1.2 Part 2.2
System 7.5.3 Japanese for PB 1400 GMC Part 1.2 Part 2.2

December 1996 ATS:
Mac OS 7.6b5
Mac OS J-7.6a4c2
System 7.5.3 Japanese for PowerMac 6400 GM

January 1997 ATS:
Mac OS J-7.6b2

March 1997 ATS:
Mac OS TC-7.6b2c2
Mac OS 8.0a2c5

June 1997 ATS (1st CD):
Mac OS 8f4c1.img

June 1997 ATS (2nd CD):
KH Tempo b1.img (Mac OS 8.0b1)
Tempo SC b1.img (Mac OS 8.0b1)
Mac OS 8.0 TA b1.img

August-September 1997 ATS:
Mac OS 8.1 Reference .img (Mac OS 8.1a4)
Mac OS 8.1 Update.img (Mac OS 8.1a4)

October 1997 ATS:
Mac OS 8.1b2c2 Update.img

November 1997 ATS:
MacOS 8.1b4 Full Install.img
MacOS 8.1b4 Updater.img

December 1997 ATS:

Mac OS 8.1J-1.0b4 Updater.sit

April-May 1998 ATS:
Mac OS 8.2.img (Mac OS 8.2a4c2)

June 1998 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.5a7-J.img
Mac OS 8.5a8 Install.img

August 1998 ADC Seed:
693-1853.img (Mac OS 8.5b2)

September 1998 ADC Seed:
Allegro J-1.0b5.img (Mac OS 8.5b5)
Mac OS 8.5b6 Install.img

January 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.5.2d5c3 Update.img

April 1999 ADC Seed:
Veronica_b3_Full_Install.sea (Mac OS 8.6b3)
Veronica J-b2 Full Install.img (Mac OS 8.6b2)

July 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.7a6c3.img

August 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 8.7b3c3.img
Mac OS 8.7J-b2.img

September 1999 ADC Seed:
Mac OS 9.0 J-b5.img
Mac OS 9.0b7c4.img
Mac_OS_9.0b7c4_Extras.img

May 2000 ADC Seed:
Minuet J-9.0.4f3.img (Mac OS 9.0.4f3)

2011, January 24 - 7:42pm

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Thanks for your patience UFK. It's too bad I didn't discover this issue with the .cdr files sooner as you'd already uploaded all of them. Tempo was the only one I was really interested in up to that point. But at least we now have a working solution.

2011, January 26 - 9:52am

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Thanks UFK! How about more?

Edit: I've downloaded the 8.0f4c1 beta image file, but the resource fork is unreadable in Classic Mac OS (it uses the OS X one). Now what?

2011, January 27 - 9:48am

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Some updates please?

2011, January 31 - 4:09pm

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Two days later?

2011, February 1 - 7:54am

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I have downloaded J-7.6b2 and it worked fine on BasiliskII1.0.Thank you UFK.

2011, February 1 - 8:45pm

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I will upload your remaining requests (from above) when I can.
Give me a week or so and I'll see to it that you get all the remaining disk
images.

2011, February 1 - 11:18pm

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Thanks, be sure you must upload them to Mediafire for better mirroring.

2011, February 4 - 12:45am

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Any updates?

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