@IIGS_User: Thanks for the post and especially for your excellent translation

I don't have this OS (yet) so it is interesting to me. I guess it will not be long before someone who hasn't deleted all of their PPC programs will test this out for sure very soon.

Interesting news. Thanks.

It'll probably take a custom kernel to get it back working. Someone might be up for making one. Me, I'm sticking with Snow Leopard. Not just because of Rosetta. I just don't see anything worthy in Lion.

I would like to have Lion´s multiple virtual screens, that I had with GNU-Linux for years.
The question does not arise however, as my E5700 is reported not to run Lion.

Well, with today's available hardware expansions it is no problem getting a IIGS to the internet today

I know why I still stick to my PowerMac...

Awww, this was such a tease. I read the first post, ran to grab my Snow Leopard disc, put it in, read the rest of the thread, and...well...damn......it won't work anyway.

I'm seriously considering going back to Snow Leopard. I forgot how many PPC apps I was still running. Lion broke a lot of my older games.

@IIGS_User: Thanks again for your info. Its not good news. But it is good to know (without needing to install Lion to find out). It looks like Apple is wanting to squelch out all traces of the past and its now an Intel world only.

I hope my remaining PPC G3 & G4 Macs can keep going for as long as my 660av Centris has

Wow, they changed the kernel? Sad. OS 10.7 barely feels like Mac OS X. If you go to http://www.apple.com/macosx/, you'll find that apart from the URL, there's no mention of "Mac" anywhere. Like "System" was changed to "Mac OS", "Mac OS X", the successor OS, is now "OS X". As we know it, the Mac is dead.

@IIGS_User:

... or trying to run PearPC for OSX to install an early PowerPC-based version of Mac OS X (up to 10.4), which also brings back the ability to run Classic Environment.

Work on PearPC practically came to a halt with the advent of the Intel Mac... Hopefully with the arrival of No-Rosetta Lion, that interest will be revived in earnest.

PearPC as it is today gives you the ability to run a PPC Mac OS X - I run 10.3.9 on my dual core Windows laptop.

Either Classic mode or the ability to boot Classic in PearPC, is not possible at this point in time, AFAIK.

I maintain a shared drive, between PearPC and Sheepshaver. My main use for PearPC when an actual PPC Mac is not handy, is to rescue Classic Mac apps from .dmg containers and rework them into version 5.5 compatible .sit archives

It is only a matter of time. Lion kernel (10.8?) Darwin source just released a few days ago!

There will be custom AMD and hackintosh kernels within a week or two. Whether or not these people (qoops/xnu _ others) wish to have Rosetta back is unknown. Someone will solve it with Lion, just not with a legit kernel.

PS. Yep, I'm still around!

Could end sooner than that. I can imagine a "OS X Mountain Lion" (but there was already a Puma, I think that was 10.0 or 10.1), then it will merge with iOS. I can imagine Terminal disappearing within a year or two, as well as banning Flash from Mac entirely.

so what exactly needs to be added back to the kernel, is it just the calls for Rosetta?

People are working on a Rosetta enabled kernel right now. http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t263074.html I have been playing with getting the kernel happy with AMD but at this point have failed. My suggestion to you guys is that you make two partitions on your drive and run os 10.6.8 on one, and 10.7 on the other, hold down the option key during boot to get your boot choice. It's pretty hard to multi-task when playing doom, so let your copy of photoshop sit on the other partition and reboot when you need it. I'm ok if they kill the cat moniker, and move on to something else for XI. Terminal won't be going anywhere because there is always -s single user mode (all text), and adobe has too many people brainwashed to believe that Flash is a necessity for web content so it'll stay too (unfortunately). Making predictions on something said 11 years ago could to lead you down the wrong path in a hurry.

I'm feeling growing pains already with "command central" and the hand motions, but i feel that steve is trying to train us for the next "big" thing. Mountain Lion, XI, Big Puma or what ever they decide to call it. To the guy who won't give up on his IIGS... you sir are my hero. I didn't fully retire my G4 until last year (i feel it needs a viking burial), and I was one of the original Apple "Lisa" owners from the 80's. There is one thing that has been proven by Apple over and over, upgrade or be left behind. I would have it no other way... It's kinda sad to watch the corporate world loosen it's grip on the now extinct Windows XP.

They hid the Utilities folder in Lion (it's not accessible from your user folder anymore). Finder and Terminal are probably next. OS X and iOS are on a collision course.

Yes, you do wonder if the OS is designed to capture the attentionn of iPhone and iPod Touch users around the world.

and it is now screwed up for mac os users

Apple seems to be leaving behind lots of users again. This was the strategy since introducing Macintosh, leaving behind the Apple_II (cash-cow) folks. This action was repeated and repeated over time. Apple thus had the best, fastest and most modern OS appealing many new users. Who cares about some old fellows asking for backward compatibility?
I refused to have any OSX until just recently. Many of my everyday apps are running on XP, GNU-Linux or Windows7 right now. As long 10.6 is supported, I am fine. The latest Snow Leo already has the very fast Darwin 10.8 kernel. Enjoy as long as it lasts.

Well although 10.7 looks like a rather large leap sideways, I can't quite see the "leaving behind lots of users". It's business users that make money for Apple in the Mac market (iPod, iPhone and iPad are another, even larger source of revenue). And where the "being left behind" argument has surfaced before is when there is a suddden, unexpected move sideways, leaving business users with a document repository (their portfolio) and perhaps millions invested in software licences that they may not now be able to use on modern kit. There are many (foolish) businesses that operate like this, and not just in the Mac market, plenty of large corporate clients I've worked for that still use Windows 2000 Server, Windows 98, even the best onlu use Windows 2003 Server and XP.

But back on the Mac, business users had nearly 10 years to move away from m68k software and now perhaps 5 years to move on from PowerPC. There have been casualties, Quark fell off the market with their very, very slow transition to PowerPC, Adobe jumped in and business users had a solution they were forced into.

If you're a business user and you're not on Intel yet, especially in these hard times, you're going to go under.

I really struggle to get by with my PowerBookG4, if I didn't have my Mac Pro I'd be dead in the water. But if I didn't have my Mac Pro I'd have at least bought a Mac Mini (or two, or three) to keep me running.

But OSX 10.7 is a bigger step like 10.4 (which broke a lot of 10.3 software), then the bigger step of 10.5 (which broke even more software), then even bigger with 10.6 (which broke EVEN MORE software). But think of 10.7 as there to capture market share from iPod, iPad and iPhone users. Apple still only has a tiny market share, so read that as "opportunity". Could backfire on Apple, a bad feeling about the OS from the existing user base (like Vista) could make many users put off upgrading and for Apple this would also mean reduced Apple sales. I'm unsure about 10.7 too, I was just about to purchase a new MBP, perhaps November, but if it brreaks too much software and isn't a pleasure to use, I'll pass it by.

Remember it took OSX a few turns until it became a usable system, 10.3 probably. 10.8 may bring back that Mac look-and-feel (Apple won't care, by then all the iPod / iPhone / iPad users will have bought iMacs).

@Temporary Joe: Your Utilities folder was in your user folder? That's not normal, I'm curious how it got there. Mine has been in the Applications folder in every version of OS X.

Since my last post in here, I have restored my MacBook's Snow Leopard installation from a backup. Lion just broke too much for my tastes, and brought very few features I liked. This MacBook, a late-'07 model, is probably going to spend the rest of its days on 10.6.8.

i now plan to go back to 10.6, once i get round to doing a tm backup so i can restore, latestet problem with lion: mouse problems, won't let me click on cretin things (like sometimes it won't click on the dock, but i can move windows)
also rosetta isn't going to be a simple kernel patch, much more of the guts of the os that rosetta needs is missing, we need to create a intel native ppc emulator that is independent of rosetta

we need to create a intel native ppc emulator that is independent of rosetta

Don't know about the collective "we" bit, but right now there is PearPC which was in full dev before the 1st Intel Mac.

Development of PearPC practically came to a stand still when Mac OS went Intel... however, it looks as though the need for its further development is picking up, once again, for some "strange reason" - Lion and the "writing on the wall" is my guess.

I've been using PearPC for a while (running 10.3.x), its been very useful when on a Windows box and I need to convert ".dmg" files to something more sensible in a hurry.

At OSX2000, I meant "Library", the "Library" folder is hidden in 10.7. Sorry.

I believe this will be solved for Intel SSE3/SSSE+ users fairly soon. I cannot see much joy for SSE2/AMD users for a while yet. I have a perfect working Hackintosh. Indistinguishable from real MacOS. If it doesn't work on my Dell, it doesn't work on a real Intel Mac! That being said, I am too frightened to update from 10.6.7 :-/

I don't know if 10.6.8 brings anything vital either. Knowing Apple, they will release a whole lot of software that doesn't support 10.6 within the next year (to try and improve Lion's percentage). I was happy with Leopard, until all these cool extensions and utilities were released, stating "REQUIRES MAC OSX SNOW LEOPARD 10.6" -- gah!

10.6.8 uses a newer AppleHDA that's similar to Lion. So that's one thing that will definitely need fixing. I'm not sure what else 10.6.8 has to offer but that was the only thing that broke on my PC after the update.

I still reckon PearPC rocks, and I cannot wait to try it on my new Core i3 -- it should really go at an acceptable speed...