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2011, August 3 - 3:02pm

Worra

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It's ALIVE!

Cleaned out the garage the other day and stumbled on to my old Macintosh Classic. Dusted it off, plugged it in and turned it on. It worked!!!!!!
Ok, the only thing on the drive is MacWord and MacPaint, but I'm longing for to be able to play Shadowgate, Deja Vu, Dark Castle and all those other games that kept me awake into the wee hours back in the 80's.

Ok, so I've found a lot of places where you can download these games, and I do have an old PC that has a disk drive, so I can make Mac-disks with that, but as I recall, many of these games where at more then one disks, and I probably can't fit all of the content on one floppy anyway. So, how do split it up on more then one floppy? What to put where? Any tips would be great!

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2011, August 3 - 3:39pm

Temporary Joe

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Well, if it has a hard drive, you can put the things on floppy disk one at a time.

Or you could take the plunge and try to get a Zip drive working with a Classic.

http://vintagemacworld.com/pluszip.html

2011, August 3 - 4:06pm

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If you have Disk Copy on your Classic, you can mount disk images as ordinary volumes; there might be some programs that can tell the difference, theoretically, but I haven't encountered any myself. (And of course you can use any hard-disk install options to save yourself the trouble of doing it every time.)

As for getting files larger than can fit on a floppy transferred...eugh, it's tricky. If you can find a SCSI CD-ROM, I've found that it's often easiest just to waste a CD-R on a mass transfer.

2011, August 3 - 6:47pm

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Hi Worra,

You have several possibilities:
a) Zip-drive: External SCSI zip 100 for your mac and a USB zip 100 or 250 for your main machine. Don't get a zip 750 because they can't write to zip-100 disks. I find zip-disks still useful after all these years.
b) CD: External SCSI CD-drive: Burn CDs in your favourite emulator and transfer them across or just burn, transfer and hope that System 7 can read and decompress them.
c) If the Classic has a PDS slot (and I'm not sure if it does), then there are surely ethernet cards available for it. If there are, you can go online with Classila. Don't be too surprised if the Internet in 2011 is not kind to a 1994 mac.

If I think of more, I'll let you know.
Regards

2011, August 3 - 7:02pm

commodorejohn

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I was just browsing the utilities collection, and this might be useful - it's a splitter/joiner designed for flat-file archives. You can break the files into chunks on Basilisk/SheepShaver, and copy them over to the Mac for rejoining.

2011, August 3 - 10:41pm

Worra

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Actually got an old SCSI CD somewhere. Will the Classic recognize it if I plug it in? Don't think there where any CD-drives around then.....

2011, August 3 - 11:48pm

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commodorejohn

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What do you have on there? I can't remember which versions of the System software ship with the CD drivers by default - I know 7.5 does, I don't think 6 does, 7.1 might...in any case, if you don't already have it, it's quite simple to install. Apple_CD-ROM_5.4.img.bin from the Older Software Downloads section will work on 7.1 or later - there's probably older versions out there somewhere for System 6, at least.

2011, August 4 - 9:00am

SwedeBear

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One way to ease mounting of an CD-ROM under this circumstances is to insert disk in drive and then restart the system. The CD-ROM drive with inserted disk will be treated as an external hard disk, if there´s no support for CD-ROMs.

2011, August 4 - 1:08pm

Worra

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The system are 6.0.1, so no CD drivers there.... I'll try out SwedeBear's method, (by the way, are you from Sweden?).
If that doesn't work, is it possible to get floppys with 7.5 on them so I can upgrade? Also, are there any step-by-step instructions available on how to upgrade the system?
Btw, love this forum!

2011, August 4 - 3:21pm

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commodorejohn

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There are System 7.5 DiskCopy images in the Older Software Downloads section, but I wouldn't recommend running anything later than 7.1 on an original Classic, unless you've beefed it up with a lot more RAM. You could grab the System 7.0.1 images and the 7.1 update and be capable of using the CD-ROM driver.

2011, August 4 - 7:44pm

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SwedeBear

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Correct spotted.

2011, August 4 - 9:37pm

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Worra

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There you go, so am I, ÖreMac forever......

2011, August 4 - 9:39pm

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Worra

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Noticed that there are a variety of SCSI connectors, and the cable I have for the ol' SCSI CD doesn't match the one on the back of the Mac. Oh well, cable hunting we go. Not giving up until I can play Dark Castle!!!!!

2011, August 4 - 10:33pm

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commodorejohn

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Eh, really? I've only ever seen the Centronics->DB25 cable used in oldschool SCSI equipment...

2011, August 4 - 11:06pm

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max1zzz

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he's probably found a Centronics -> Centronics cable, used for daisy chaining

2011, August 6 - 9:13pm

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Worra

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Oh no, there are about a zillion different SCSI connectors. But no worries, I'll sort it out!

2011, August 7 - 6:44am

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themacmeister

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Don't forget, SCSI termination is key to success!!!

2011, August 7 - 11:02am

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24bit

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@Worra: Guess I have spare Mac DB25 to Centronics 50pin SCSI cable, if you have problems to hunt one down. Sending it from Germany should not be too expensive.

2011, August 11 - 8:10pm

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SwedeBear

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@Worra; send an image of those connectors. I might have something in the basement.
OT: ÖreMac som i Grund/Bro/Sund?

2011, August 14 - 8:02am

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Worra

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I'll take some pics! ÖreMac as in Örebro Högskolas Macintosh grupp. Bought my first Macintosh Plus back in -85 when I went there.